I didnt think gmail was hard its only fields and my thing is this - if I just type the fields I get no sms where if I run Ubot I get SMS so there has to be a way to make this thing compatable gogetta pointed me to send keys field chosen - which I never would have found on my own not to mention captchas and saving lists - all things impossible to glean from the videos anyway I do appreciate your attention to this matter - because I'm wanting to solve real problems - not just create small pieces of software that don't achieve the goal of an IM.