meter 145 Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Someone sent me $79 for UbotLocker last night, but didn't PM me on the forums. When I replied to their paypal email, I got no response either. If you've bought UbotLocker recently and haven't received the program, please contact me via email or PM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewTechLife 3 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Hey can I purchase this from you meter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meter 145 Posted April 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Yes you may Just send $79 to *removed due to spam*, and send me an email or PM after. I will reply with a download link. -meter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewTechLife 3 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 $79 US? I live in Canada Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meter 145 Posted April 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Yes $79 USD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewTechLife 3 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 And do I say for goods and services? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewTechLife 3 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Nevermind I would have to pay with echeque because I recently lost my credit card at the bar so I have to wait for the new one to come in to purchase it. Hope to have your program soon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewTechLife 3 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Could I do an interact etransfer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meter 145 Posted April 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Hi NewTechLife, For now I'd rather only sell using Paypal. Sorry to hear about your credit card. Cheers, -meter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Josh 37 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 So I bought this even though I had the "other" licensing system. This one was a third of the price and very easy to set up. The reason I bought this one even though I had the other one was simple. Encryption. The other doesn't offer encryption for the bot. Much props Meter. I do have a couple of suggestions... 1. trial period. This would be good to have 2. monthly paid updates. For example if I wanted to charge for a bot and have the user pay for monthly updates. I would still want them to be able to use the bot if they stop paying the updates. I just don't want them to be able to download the updates. Any way something like this is in the pipeline? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meter 145 Posted April 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Hey Josh For #1 numerous people have requested it, but I'm afraid I won't be implementing trials anytime soon. I simply view them as too much of a security risk. For #2, that's a rather specialized use case and I didn't have it in mind when designing UbotLocker. I will have to think about it before I implement it -meter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Twitter Dominator 125 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Trial periods invite hackers that will never get added and should never get added Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Josh 37 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Hey Josh For #1 numerous people have requested it, but I'm afraid I won't be implementing trials anytime soon. I simply view them as too much of a security risk. For #2, that's a rather specialized use case and I didn't have it in mind when designing UbotLocker. I will have to think about it before I implement it -meter ok well I don't want a security risk. #2 I didn't think that was so special since that is basically how ubot works. Although I wouldn't ever charge for bug fixes, but I think having 2 pricing options for some bots is better for both sales and longterm deployment of a bot. you can charge less up front with a monthly update fee in case a website changes or you want to add improvements. As a business person I don't like to go with the one time fee model whenever possible. I like to give the option of one time fee at higher cost, but I have found many people go with the less expensive option and a small monthly cost when there is that option. Having an optional recurring monthly fee just makes more money in the long run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BeerNut 25 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Trial periods invite hackers that will never get added and should never get addedThey also invite paying customers. I have done most of my business by converting trial customers into paying customers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darryl561 177 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 They also invite paying customers. I have done most of my business by converting trial customers into paying customers. I can't see that having a trial period coded into the license system is of any real advantage, and if it compromises the security then it is definitely NOT an advantage. If you want to give people a trial all you need to do is manually add a license and send the details to them and tell them it will expire in x amount of days. It might be a bit more work, but its got to be better than compromising the security of the license system. Thats what I think anyway. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meter 145 Posted April 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 ok well I don't want a security risk. #2 I didn't think that was so special since that is basically how ubot works. Although I wouldn't ever charge for bug fixes, but I think having 2 pricing options for some bots is better for both sales and longterm deployment of a bot. you can charge less up front with a monthly update fee in case a website changes or you want to add improvements. As a business person I don't like to go with the one time fee model whenever possible. I like to give the option of one time fee at higher cost, but I have found many people go with the less expensive option and a small monthly cost when there is that option. Having an optional recurring monthly fee just makes more money in the long run. Hey Josh, I understand perfectly the business logic behind paid updates. The problem actually lies in the technical part of UbotLocker. Autoupdates were never intended to be a part of UbotLocker, and were added as a quick hack. Now you're asking me to expand that hack by hooking it into the paypal logs/subscription system. So I would need to keep track of each user, and what license they are allowed to have, and update and remove their license versions accordingly depending on whether or not their subscription expired, or whether or not they have paid for a certain item. That's not easy, and I have to give it some thought, because I will be building a hack on top of a hack -meter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BeerNut 25 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Can I use this system just to obfuscate my code but not use its license system? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Josh 37 Posted April 15, 2013 Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Hey Josh, I understand perfectly the business logic behind paid updates. The problem actually lies in the technical part of UbotLocker. Autoupdates were never intended to be a part of UbotLocker, and were added as a quick hack. Now you're asking me to expand that hack by hooking it into the paypal logs/subscription system. So I would need to keep track of each user, and what license they are allowed to have, and update and remove their license versions accordingly depending on whether or not their subscription expired, or whether or not they have paid for a certain item. That's not easy, and I have to give it some thought, because I will be building a hack on top of a hack -meter What if you didn't have to worry about the paypal connection at all what if it was just a feature within the ubotlocker admin. I could build a bot that would check my email for subscription cancellations, and then login to ubotlocker admin to make the change to that file. I'm just saying that I'm not so worried about integrating that part with paypal as much as just having the feature. Thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meter 145 Posted April 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2013 Again, it's not that simple. I'd have to recode the entire licensing system to keep track of what user is allowed which version of which bot. Then I would have to expose a UI for you to edit that. Then I would have to recode the licensing and updater systems on the client-side to communicate with the server in a new way that decides which version the user is running, should he update, is he allowed to update? and if he doesn't update, is he running a version that he is allowed to run? It's just a lot of changes. -meter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VentureOnline 49 Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Any chance you might add a change log to the update process so we can notify our users what has been changed in the latest update? So after the users update downloads and the bot starts it shows either a txt file or something showing the info of the latest update? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meter 145 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Sorry VentureOnline, but that's up to the bot creator to implement! -meter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Josh 37 Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Again, it's not that simple. I'd have to recode the entire licensing system to keep track of what user is allowed which version of which bot. Then I would have to expose a UI for you to edit that. Then I would have to recode the licensing and updater systems on the client-side to communicate with the server in a new way that decides which version the user is running, should he update, is he allowed to update? and if he doesn't update, is he running a version that he is allowed to run? It's just a lot of changes. -meter Ok I just thought of a work around. Meter, let me know if this will work with the system? Create 3 separate projects for the same bot. 1. Lifetime updates2. Monthly updates3. No Updates When a user cancels monthly updates I simply add a license to the no update project and remove from the update project Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meter 145 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Ok I just thought of a work around. Meter, let me know if this will work with the system? Create 3 separate projects for the same bot. 1. Lifetime updates2. Monthly updates3. No Updates When a user cancels monthly updates I simply add a license to the no update project and remove from the update project Hey Josh, that should work perfectly Sorry that it involves manual work! If you use UbotLocker to manage your subscriptions, then it will automatically cancel the license for "Monthly Updates" as soon as someone lets their subscription expire (via cancellation or non-payment). -meter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BeerNut 25 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 So can the protection features be used without the license system? I could really use the protection system now but moving over my entire license system from the current system may take a while and lots of new coding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meter 145 Posted April 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Hey Beernut, Yes you can use it without the licensing features, but it is not recommended. PM me after purchase to get instructions on how to set up your system to work with mine. -meter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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