Bill 7 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Does anyone have any idea what the cost will be for the new ubot secure system? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ptrick125 45 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'm pretty sure it will be a renewal every month, or along that system. I'm not exactly sure how much it is though, and I'd love to know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dutchman 0 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Like to know the price too. Where can we signup ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kreatus (Ubot Ninja) 422 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Im sure the price isnt going to be that high since there are already alternatives with competitive prices. And from what I saw on the demo video its still pretty basic compare to the existing licensing programs. I hope they will add more features soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beatngu 65 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Why sign up for this when meter has the best protection out there.And where was the ubot protection when Wack0 decompiled our bots?The ubot them should focus on updating ubot and let the security be handled by someone with understanding for security,meter stopped wack0 when the ubot team just hide behind the rocks!! Is it just me or is the ubot team copying all the plugins?I sure hope they pay the plugin developers for stealing their ideas 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dankass 52 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Why sign up for this when meter has the best protection out there.And where was the ubot protection when Wack0 decompiled our bots?The ubot them should focus on updating ubot and let the security be handled by someone with understanding for security,meter stopped wack0 when the ubot team just hide behind the rocks!! Is it just me or is the ubot team copying all the plugins?I sure hope they pay the plugin developers for stealing their ideas It's not just you:) And I agree... I think this ubot security 'thingy' may work for some people, but its nowhere near what meter offers in the way of automating issuing and delivering keys and integrating it with payment processors and whatnot. I don't see that happening with what this thing ... Meters product is cheap enough, so i dont see how they will do much with this thing and imho they should have included it as part of developer edition... I feel like I'm always being squeezed for more and more money every time I turn around... Its not enough that we plopped down $700 for this sucker, PLUS a monthly fee, and THEN buying plugins to add on to the product (many things which should have been added in in v4 with our monthly fee imho), but NOW we're gonna get dinged yet again.... I for one will be passing on this... then again, I'd pass on it even if it were included cuz I already have meter's ubot locker. Somehow I knew they would not be able to resist trying to squeeze us for more money... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rulez05 3 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Why sign up for this when meter has the best protection out there.And where was the ubot protection when Wack0 decompiled our bots?The ubot them should focus on updating ubot and let the security be handled by someone with understanding for security,meter stopped wack0 when the ubot team just hide behind the rocks!! Is it just me or is the ubot team copying all the plugins?I sure hope they pay the plugin developers for stealing their ideaswell I remember before ubot has been criticizing that they can't protect them self from cracker like wako and member to depend on protection and other member create protection to our bots which is good for uboters I think it's not bad if ubot it self have now there own protection so they have security also so it's user choice where to choose to protect there bot it's like other product we all have kind of variety and if has extra fee I think it's okay... and when ubot just give it free, tj and meter hard work will go on vain people stop using there service I think ubot is fair aside we can make more money using this bots and those security thighy has been around for years Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brutal 164 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Ubot is a business. Many of us build and sell bots, and some offer life time free updates while others require a small monthly fee for updates. It's a solid business model that works. Why would we (many of us are full time marketers) have an issue with them squeezing a few bucks when they can? As marketers we do the exact same thing to our own customers in order to keep a good flow of cash coming in. No one could really be successful selling a single item for a single one-off payment and then support and improve it forever without additional payment.... As a business you couldn't survive. They have simply offered a value added service. No threat of force involved, simply an offer. I won't likely get it - like most others I purchased or created my own security along the way, but I like the thought of having it available just in case I ever decide to get it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_way 52 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 it would be better if meters bot was integrated into ubot, and they used his code, and payed him % revenue for his contribution. The more security the better. I previously bought a security system that was a crock of shit setting up and getting working, despite being "one of the best" i couldn't even get a refund as the seller said i might be decompiling his bot, (hello??? if he wasn't confident about it how the hell could i be?) If the popular plugins could be tightly integrated into ubot, and a decent revenue share system was put in place, then the speed of ubot features would increase. I want everything in ubot, not to have to mess around with an obfuscator, and then a separate security system program, every time i compile. Takes freaking ages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pete 121 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 So is ubotstudio is now keeping a copy off all our compiled bots?If so then they should release a desktop compiler Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Big Jay 35 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Ubot is a business. Many of us build and sell bots, and some offer life time free updates while others require a small monthly fee for updates. It's a solid business model that works. Why would we (many of us are full time marketers) have an issue with them squeezing a few bucks when they can? As marketers we do the exact same thing to our own customers in order to keep a good flow of cash coming in. No one could really be successful selling a single item for a single one-off payment and then support and improve it forever without additional payment.... As a business you couldn't survive. They have simply offered a value added service. No threat of force involved, simply an offer. I won't likely get it - like most others I purchased or created my own security along the way, but I like the thought of having it available just in case I ever decide to get it. WELL SAID! I was going to type a reply similar to yours, but after reading yours I don't think I would have said it any better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meter 145 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Hey guys, I just want to post in this thread to comment on Ubot Secure. Seth and I have been friends going back for years now. I originally hit him up on Skype related to some security stuff for Ubot, and we've been in touch since then. A few months ago, when wack0 was decompiling Ubots, I saw a market opportunity for myself and I took it. I also talked to Seth about the security features I implemented, so that he could eventually come out with something like Ubot Secure, and strengthen the core security of Ubot. When Seth had the idea for Ubot Secure, months ago, he hit me up on Skype to make sure I was cool with it. He didn't want it to look like he was stepping into my market. I gave him my blessing, and he's been working on it since then. Personally, I think Ubot is Seth's baby. He can do whatever he wants with it, and the fact that he took the time to get MY permission to do something for HIS product is very respectful. The reason I am not worried about Ubot Secure is we are completely different products. UbotLocker is a cheap one-time payment. Ubot Secure will be subscription. UbotLocker has a bunch of additional features like Payment System integration, is self-hosted, and is quick and easy to use. Ubot Secure is centrally hosted, and will integrate with the Ubot compilation system. So I still think UbotLocker is a competitive product which will be around for a long time, and I still expect to generate a healthy amount of sales from it -meter 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
☠ℬαłłℓℯωℯ♭☠ 10 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I think there's truth to both sides of the argument here. 1. Ubot had been compromised and exposed for how easily the bots could be "cracked"I would argue that this should have motivated them to make their product more secure with at least some low to medium level attempts to make it more difficult to "crack" bots. I don't believe that users should have to pay for that basic security. 2. Software said "No one could really be successful selling a single item for a single one-off payment and then support and improve it forever without additional payment" The truth of the matter is, Ubot does not work off of a single payment system, they also charge monthly fees for updates. Even without the monthly fees, a good observation would be that when I first purchased Ubot about 2 years ago, there were approximately 1,500 forum users. Today there are 6,651 users. I think it's fair to say that majority of those new users are people who have purchased Ubot. Now, if you were to multiply the 5,000+ new users by the cost of the Standard license ($245), you would have a revenue of $1,225,000.00 with the potential of up to $3,475,000.00 in revenue had each new user purchased a Developer license. But with the reality being that there are 3 different license to choose from that increase by $200 - $250 between license, it's likely that the revenue from those new 5,000+ users is in the neighborhood of $2,000,000.00. So, that would translate to $1,000,000 just for software sales alone per year (does not include the revenue from updates). I think any of us would be proud to pull off that kind of revenue and I would argue that a business model that brings in 2,500+ new customers per year and over $1,000,000 in revenue per year is easily considered to be "successful selling a single item for a single one-off payment" (It's important to keep in mind that not every Ubot customer signs up for a forum account, as it is not required to read and access threads, so in all likelihood there MANY more customers not accounted for in these figures). I felt that needed to be on the table and clear up any misconceptions that Ubot's business model exists to survive, as they clearly are successful, not just surviving. 3. I am not aware of any Free hosted licensing services and from my understanding, this will be hosted, so charging a low and reasonable fee is not asking too much (at least not in my book). However, to encourage sales and to build further satisfaction with Ubot customers, I agree that making it a free perk for those with developer licenses would be an amazing thing. But to maintain the confidence of all Ubot customers I really think that Ubot should show that they take security seriously and include basic offline security for all license at no additional cost. Those are my thoughts. But at the end of the day,it will be up to Ubot as to which direction they take their business model. Many of us are watching closely as it is our hard earned money paying for this software and some of us have the ability to create a product similar to Ubot and improve on it, adding things that Ubot might be lacking. Hopefully Ubot will maintain a product that would be too hard to compete with by adding awesome perks and keeping a good name, that will have a return in itself by keeping would be competitors at bay making it too difficult for them to compete as a start up. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ptrick125 45 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 All these posts, and no answer to the original question? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
☠ℬαłłℓℯωℯ♭☠ 10 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 I think the answer is apparent - noone knows at this point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aymen 385 Posted October 2, 2013 Report Share Posted October 2, 2013 Does anyone have any idea what the cost will be for the new ubot secure system?no one knows yet , Ubot team didn't reveal the price yet , but i'm guessing it would be for like 20$ a month ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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